sometimes its easier to suggest things be fixed than you know actually fixing them.

Furthermore the sheer existance of ogb penalizes players who like fast paced, spontanious and mobile pvp. It caters to risk-averse stationary pvp. For inherent logical reasons that decreases the total number of fights happening which equals to: bad for EVE pvp which equals to: Bad mechanic being bad for EVE. It's really as simple as that. The question remains: Why doesn't CCP take action?

But in my experience , its usually people in faction ships/full set of implants/ with backup/ with links at a 100% safe place( generally FW zones).

Ummm dont you think 10-30 ships SHOULD DIE IN SECONDS to 900 ships?? Lol

The fact that 10-30 can last more than seconds against such odds is proof it is unlabanced.

What about the players who don't run links? Many of them will be hesitant to engage at all since they will always be afraid that the incursus in that plex might be able to tank their gang due to that legion floating in space somewhere but not showing up on these embarrassing km's. Why do you even need links anyway? I fight 1vsmany most of the time and i have a lot of fun doing it. There are other ways than bluntly boosting your stats. kiting for instance. Don't you realize that this whole ogb thing is a huge turn off for casuals, newer players or generally anybody who doesn't want to run a second account? Shouldn't success in pvp be determined by tactical means and by what you actually throw in the ring (aka risking it)rather than by a boosting t3 or command ship which doesn't interact during the fight whatsoever? You sound freasonable so i'm really hoping that you understand that it's not about not having a link alt, I could easily afford one tbh but that wouldn't change the fact that for reasons stated above ogb's are a terrible mechanic.

If you had bothered to do any real research on the subject you would know that the reason off-grid boosters are still a thing is because the math needed to make on-grid boosting will not be necessary until Brain in a Box is done, which still has the ETA of ~soon~. For more information, just search brain in a box on the devblogs and you'll see plenty of info, ditto with the forums, and that will explain the technical side and why it's important/necessary to the change.

To sum things up: You think that time and money invested in a game should factor into pvp even more than it's already the case. In contrast to that I and many of the opponents of ogb believe that tactical means aka actual skill should be more decisive and that in terms of accessability this would lead to a healthier game in general.

In that regard we have essentially different notions of what kind of a game eve should be. Your statement that removing ogb would lead to a more uniform landscape is imo just plain wrong though.

Leveling the field creates competition which puts incentive on creative tactical solutions. Thus New Eden would most certainly become a more interesting place in terms of pvp.

Agreed, but the point was that you want static factors like sp or a booster alt to have a bigger impact wheras I and others would prefer spontanious tactical decisions to be more decisive.

Chessur is leet, yet flies billion isk ships with drugs and OFFGRID BOOSTERS lol thats the whole point dude. Wtf?

Rewards are supposed to come with Risk, there's very little risk involved with a links Tengu fitted to be nigh-on impossible to scan down with probes bouncing between safe spots.

I get that but don't you think that CCP should give us something until the Dogma rewrite may or may not solve this issue?

Which claims of unfairness? That was never the point. The point was that ogb makes eve a worse game. It does so for reasons stated many times. The fact that the proponents of ogb always try to distort the very specific and profound criticism of ogb to general whining about unfairness says something about the proponents of ogb. imo

Bring boosters on grid and everyone is happy. This would add more depth to fleet tactics imo

On grid will be a HUGE betterment to now since you could easily see not only that there is a booster but which booster. Put it on KB's aswell and personally i could live with that. It would make a terribble mechanic a lot less terrible and a lot easier to live with.

Dealing with it like getting a booster alt or stop flying solo?

You need to understand that the vast majority of the critics of ogb are not notorious whiners.

They see ogb as the bad mechanic it is and that reality won't change no matter how often you claim the problem is non existant -disregarding the arguments and concerns of your fellow eve players.

I hope that CCP will be less ignorant in that regard and finally give us something before brain in a box is ready. Make them turn up on KB's. Something little. Just a little concession that non-link users concerns are relevant to CCP as they should be since these are the concerns of paying customers which basically have been ignored for years.

Ogb hurts solo and small gang pvp mostly. The larger the fleet the less of an issue ogb is. If you want to comment further do some research on the topic before steretypically labeling any critcism beyond your understanding and ingame experience as whining.

Therefore boost away. Both sides can. However have the boosting vessels ON grid to allow direct engagement. Is there a reason why being ON grid is so bad?

Ok, forgive me but at this point I'm not really sure if you just don't get links or if you're trolling.

1. Tank to dps ratio: The smaller the gang the higher is the potential tanking boost relative to accumulated dps. That's simple math speaking for itself.

It's late, I'm a bit drunk and I'm also lacking a bit in the english department to explain the whole thing more eloquently but nevertheless i really hope the general idea got through this time.

You are just a f'en troll and this thead should be never posted again.

Hmm... I wonder... what if every active link gives you +100 to your signature radius? This would make you easier to scan down the more links you have running. Would this alone be enough to force OGB alts into becoming on-grid mains? Choosing to run only 1 or 2 links along with a rack of guns/missiles?

That's the truth right there.

Tbh the whole "links allow us to engage larger gangs"-argument says something about the person making it

Specifically that he or she is not capable of understanding a game mechanic and its impact beyond the limited scope of their personal experience.